Davening Man Removed from Plane

April 17, 2008 4 Comments »

airplaneOn Wednesday night, an Orthodox man boarded a United Airlines flight from JFK to San Francisco. Before the flight took off, he went to the back of plane to daven, probably Mincha (Maariv could have waited). The crew asked him to sit for takeoff, but since he was in the middle of the Amidah he couldn’t interrupt. His friends told the crew that he would be done in less than two minutes; he just couldn’t stop at that moment. However, once he was finished, the crew ordered guards to remove him from the plane. The link to the story can be found here.

I feel that everyone was wrong in this situation. A plane never leaves at its scheduled time, so they couldn’t wait another two minutes to finish davening? They still have to taxi for 10 minutes, wait for the planes in front of them to take off, and then they can leave. However, the guy couldn’t wait 10 minutes to start davening? If you’re in a car and you need to daven Mincha, Halacha says you can daven while seated. He couldn’t daven in his seat? Or before he got on the plane? This seems to be quite a Chilul Hashem (desecration of G-d’s name) here – now people might think that us Jews feel we can operation on our own schedules and disregard the rules that everyone else follows. I think he should have waited, interrupted and sat down, or davened in his seat to begin with. However, I know people disagree with me.



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  • http://iconia.canonist.com Menachem Wecker

    I applaud your guts in posting this, Marc. I agree completely. This is a disgrace. He should have taken his seat and finished later. I worry about some folks’ attitudes to do as they please and then just apologize and explain afterwards that they didn’t mean to be offensive. This was offensive, and it sounds from the story like he actually heard the attendant and wasn’t so caught up in his prayers that he missed it. Once there’s already an interruption, why not take your seat?

  • http://www.geniusrocket.com Dave Weinberg

    Another reason why I am always so uncomfortable davening in public. Other Jews who create a Chilul Hashem like this make similar more private endevours uncomfortable.

    I was once waiting for a plane to Montreal at Laguardia airport in NY. The airport was PACKED. Several Chasidim started a miyan IN FRONT of a gate door and needed tenth man…so I joined in at the very back. Besides for distrupting the general flow of people sitting and waiting for thier flights, the Chassidim chose NOT to do a chezi kedusha and had a full amida. During the Chazzan’s repititon, a flight arrived and deppanning passengers had to snak through us. Flight attendants and airport staff started yelling at the Chassidm who yelled back, “we’ll be done in a few minutes, please!” Wow, I was uncomfortable.

    They could have chosen to daven out of the way, or done so in a quick manner or waited. Of course not, we are the CHOSEN people and others be damned…

  • leah

    One should be so indulged in their davening that someone talking to them wouldn’t be heard. If he was able to hear the flight attendant he should have sat down.

    I am conflicted in your subjectivities only because gathering for a minyan in a JFK airport raises such a level of spirituality. What more beautiful than to see a group of people pray to HaShem. At the same time, no one has to be rude or hinder other people from carrying on with their own activities.

    Here’s a thought, those same Chassidim so proudly davening in front of the Laguardia airport, would they have been so easily moved to daven Mincha right by the Gaza Strip. :) I don’t think so.

  • leah

    One last thing, two words……………………………………….. derekh eretz.